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A Black Mountain Morning

My lovely bosses, Elijah and Rhonda, invited Hugh and I to a picnic on the river near Black Mountain, NC. So sunny and relaxing and picturesque!
It's a shame the water looks so brown! It was actually crystal clear, and the bottom of the lazy river bed was mica sand, so it was actually really sparkly!

These butterflies were congregating in thick patches. Great opportunity to practice with the ol' macro lens on my new camera.


This trip was the bees knees, yall. Happy Father's Day!

New Job!

I no longer work at a flower shop. I miss my old boss and playing with blooms quite a bit, and hopefully I'll get a chance to explore the industry with more depth in the future, but I got a really great offer that I just couldn't pass up!

I work for Figs & Ginger now! Check out this video about Rhonda and Elija, the husband and wife team that own this jewelry company:

Figs & Ginger from John Carl on Vimeo.

As their studio manager I help them assemble jewelry, process orders, answer inquiries, and whatever else they need me to do. They're very flexible, so I still have plenty of time to make my own work, as well. This feels like a perfect fit for me, and I am as comfortable and happy as I've yet felt in North Carolina. Now that all the tumult of transition is over, I can hopefully get back to making work and posting progress.

Images from the Flower Shop

I got a new day job. Mother's Day did me in.

Maybe half of the orders we prepared for the Friday before Mother's Day

Some designs I've done.

A Message from Your Friendly Neighborhood Florist

With Mother's Day quickly approaching and the horrors of Valentine's Day long forgotten, can we please all take a moment to discuss the skilled trade known as flower design? It’s part of our American culture to send perishable allergens to people in their times of greatest distress or happiness. If you have something to make up for, or are REALLY trying to get in that single mom’s pants, please follow these guidelines.

1. Google search "florist" in the town of the recipient.

2.Take a quick look at your options, note customer reviews and star ratings, hours, and location.

3. Go to their website if you want. Most florists share a pre-made website with pre-designed arrangements from Teleflora. You can look at this to get an idea of what you like, but try not to get too attached to a particular arrangement, the pictures are IDEAS. We really probably don’t have every single thing that’s in there, so pick out what you like best about it (color? Size? Type of flower?) and remember that.

4. CALL THE FLORIST AND TALK TO THE CUSTOMER SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE. They are there to help you! If they are rude, tell them you will be calling one of their competitors and hang up. Call someone else on the google search list.

5. Describe to the employee what your are looking for. Major considerations include PRICE: most florists have an $8-12 delivery fee (non negotiable) and minimums starting at $25. $50 is an average order and will get you a beautiful arrangement. Anything over $50 will be extraordinary. VALUE: Some flowers are less expensive than others. If you want something full and showy for less than $50, you are asking for daisies and carnations and mums. Roses are expensive, but they look valuable. If you want something that looks high end, like something you’d see in magazines, tell your florist to put the value in quality rather than quantity of flowers. Realize that this may result in a smaller arrangement. STYLE: There are two major categories- traditional or unique/artistic. Traditional arrangements tend to be in clear vases or wicker baskets, with that afro shape everyone seems to love. Lots of babies breath, carnations, daisies, stuff that's not going to shock anyone. Unique/artistic arrangements really should start at $40, and you will get something you've probably never seen before. There is a reason we are called "designers." We are creative people, we are interested in beauty, and we have a large knowledge of how to mix bizarre and graceful blooms to make something exciting. Some secondary considerations to mention only if you are particularly invested: COLOR (does mom love orange?) FRAGRANCE (do perfumes make mom nauseous? Avoid star gazer lilies!) LIFE SPAN (carnations, babies breath, and daisies last two weeks sometimes, but are super boring. If you want something exciting try tropicals- birds of paradise, protea, and orchids. Lilies, stock, tulips, and roses have relatively short lives outside the cooler.) And of course, if you want something specific CALL AHEAD! A week is best! We get daily shipments of flowers in a medium-sized city like Asheville. Not twice a day. If you need green dendrobium orchids and you want it this afternoon, good luck. We want your order, we WILL find them, but we will have to pay extra and so will you. CALL AHEAD.

While we're at it, here are some more things to know BEFORE you call:

1.The recipient’s address. We DO NOT know that Hardees that’s just off the second left past the interstate entrance. And if you don't know the last name of the recipient there at the Hardees, we're really going to hate you for making our poor, awesome delivery guy wander through a fast food restaurant looking for an employee who's probably not gay and didn't give you his full name on purpose because you're freaking him out and he's afraid you're stalking him. Which you are, by the way.

2. The recipient’s phone number. This applies especially in the winter. Though the rest of this town completely shut down during those snow storms, I walked the mile and a half to work. Believe it or not, it does occasionally snow on birthdays, marriages, and funerals, and we will do what we have to do to follow through with a promised order. Our delivery van does not have a plow attachment. If we are going to borrow the owner’s 4-wheel drive truck and then hike up your unplowed driveway to drop off a vase of roses when it’s –12 with the windchill, we better damn well know you’re home. And no we will not leave them on the porch when it’s below freezing outside, there’s a reason plants drop their foliage in the fall, your arrangement will too, in about 90 seconds.

3. A window of time when the recipient will be at the address. Under the rarest circumstances can we guarantee to be there at a specific time. Exceptions include event set-ups, which you should expect an extra charge for. We send our guy out with 3-6 deliveries, and he uses his discretion on routes. If you need it there before noon- perfect! Between 3-5- absolutely. At 4:15- No. And please be realistic. We open at 8:30. Our driver delivers pizza at nights, too. We try to let him sleep 8 hours before getting on the road again. Oh, and we don’t pay him much, so tip if it’s convenient! He IS a professional!

4. What you want to say on the card. "With our deepest sympathy, Love, the Smiths" is always classy and appropriate. Inside jokes are great, we love them, don't be embarrassed. Please don't make us purposefully misspell things. It doesn't make YOU look cute, it makes US look stupid.

5. Have a credit card handy. We will not bill you. We will not take your business if you don’t pay us. We take cash or check if you come in the store in person.

6. Have a second choice in mind. If we can’t get those green dendrobiums, can we use purple? If we don’t have red snapdragons, which is more important, the snapdragons or the red?

PLEASE! We beg of you! Call us before you place an order on the internet! Find our store on google, and call the number provided before you call 1-800-flowers! These sites and numbers are just order-takers. They’re not florists. It’s a guy with a headset in Omaha. He sells you flowers that he can’t see and charges you $7-15 for the service, then takes an additional 20% of the money for the entire order from the independent florist who fills it. So we are filling your order whether you call us or not, only you’re paying $7-15 more than you’d have to, and we’re making significantly less than our asking price. In order to even get the orders, we have to pay a monthly fee to the order-taking company, anyway. They are taking our business and crapping up the quality of the customer service while charging us for the benefit. Please just spend 15 seconds typing “florist” into google. By the way, the same goes for that pre-made website with the pre-made arrangements. The order taking company takes 20% of our money for the flowers and charges us a huge amount for the website with those pictures.

In conclusion, I’d like to impress that we florists provide a specialized service that requires years of training, and we’re not exactly making bank. We make a very meager living. The best designers can rarely ask for more than $12 an hour. We do this because we love it and it’s fulfilling, not because it’s lucrative and we’re hustling you out of your hard earned money. Flowers are expensive, they are perishable, and they are fickle. We spend our lives trying to figure them out. It’s fascinating and frustrating and a constant challenge, and we’re the kind of people that get off on that. If you trust us, we will not disappoint. And do not underestimate our desperation. The industry is dying and we WANT to LIVE! Whatever you want! We will do it! If you are unhappy, we will do whatever is necessary to make it up to you, provided you make a believable case. (Hey, you guys hustle, too!)

I really look forward to designing your flowers for Mother’s Day!

Another Weekend with Few Accomplishments

I really haven't been making any new work lately. I started a scarf months ago and it's still on the loom. The torch hasn't heated up except for some random etsy orders, and I haven't even been sketching new ideas. Motivation and morale are low. This dry spell started with a string of rejections and rejection is something that I can deal with, but I'm starting to wonder if this has deeper roots. I'm going to start making again, I promise, I just need a little break from what I've been doing to reconsider what I'm going to be doing.

In the meantime, though, I can't keep my hands still. I'll keep posting what I'm working on, even if it's just a dumb flower drawing. I work at a flower shop full time. I see a lot of flowers. I am very much not interested in spending much more time with them than I already do, but they do make good captive subjects when I'm feeling like getting lost in detail.

My goal with drawings is to include detail to the point of abstraction. If I quit while it still looks like something, I haven't worked hard enough. I got sunburned yesterday drawing this iris, but was still bored by how literal it was. So last night I drew a sketch of my sketch with obsessive crosshatch for shading, and now I feel like I'm happy with it. In my book they mirror each other.

Red Clay River - An Update

This is a video from The Knitting Factory, where I watched my friends play in Brooklyn two weeks ago.

They stayed with my sister in Bushwick, Brooklyn and woke up to find their van with all their gear gone. The next day they got word from NYPD that the van was recovered and we have been waiting for the owner to go claim it to see if anything was left. Unfortunately, only a mandolin and a 50 gallon drum that they used for percussion was left. It's tragic. So enjoy this video of the last time they ever played with these instruments, and I'll show you where you can buy their cd. It's the best way I can think of to contribute to the cause.

Drawing in New York

Some drawings:

Bushwick Backard

the airport in Atlanta

Music in New York City

This past weekend I made a short trip up to Brooklyn to visit my sister and see the big city. I have a few things to share, and I think I'll start with the music.

Rescue Birds

Ok, so my sister's in this one but that doesn't delegitimize the plug. Sara, Andrea, Mary, and Meg make a hypnotizing 3 part harmony and trade a slew of unexpected instrumentation (cello, accordion, autoharp, bells, etc.) They make an unforgettable and completely unique sound that doesn't seem to fit into any genre. It is sweet & innocent and powerful & raunchy all at once. Be their fan!

Red Clay River
These guys are from my hometown in Roanoke, Virginia. My sister and I have known some of these boys for so long and so well they're like part of the family. Couldn't ask for a nicer group of folks. Seriously. Their music is charged with energy and dramatic, with unexpected instrumentation (a theme) and an interesting push and pull between Dan's raw, Tom Waits-like vocals and the pure, sweet harmonies of Camelia and her violin. By the way, there's also a rock double-bass, a drummer that occasionally picks banjo, and some seriously glorious guitar solos from our boy Aaron. Overnight after the show their van was stolen with all the gear inside. The NYPD has recovered it, but there's no word yet as to what shape it's in or what's left. Keep up with these boys and girls, they might need your help at a benefit show in the near future. Be their fan!

PS. Click on the band name to go to their myspace page where you can hear the music.

A Sunny Day

New on the Loom

Hello friends!

As most of you know, I double-majored in metals and textiles at VCU. I've been focusing on my jewelry work lately, but now that the loom and I have been reunited, I thought I'd start designing another series of scarves.

I use what's called a pick up double weave technique. I draw my cartoon onto a piece of graph paper cut to the size of the scarf. Each row on the paper equals one warp string (for those non-weavers, the warps are the verticals.)

Double weave means simultaneously weaving two layers of fabric at once. There are a ton of practical applications for double weave, but I really only use it for pattern and plushness. My technique is called pick-up because I lift up the colors to make the pattern. I weave one color at a time, picking up the white to weave the gray, picking up the gray to weave the white... and so on and so on and so on, making a piece of fabric that is the color opposite on one side from the other. In the picture above you can see my pick-up stick (my friend Matt Williams made that one for me!) which I use to count out and grab the warps indicated on my graph paper cartoon.

As I finish a row for each layer, I mark it off on the cartoon with a pencil so I don't get confused and make the same row twice. This pattern has been particularly friendly and fun to weave. When it comes off the loom, I want it to look like a length of tile that is cracking.

Things I Heart II

Things I love on Etsy, architecture edition:

Buildings ) Pocketbook Slash Checkbook Holder

by QuietDoing

That is some sweet urban diagonal excitement right there. Plus the inside is all full of tiny pockets and places to lose receipts... Just how I like it.

Circle Map Wood Box

by theharbingerco

City block grids! I love them.

Birdumbus Visits St Basil's Cathedral

by PragyaK

Two favorite things: birds and landmark buildings. What do you think he's thinking?

brooklyn bridge card pack

by serimony

It's the negative space that makes up the focus- a lack of ink that successfully portrays a monument! Does anyone else find that exciting?

Dear artists,

care to trade?

Love,

Caitie

Welcome to my Asheville studio, part II

The set up:

About a month ago Hugh and I did a redesign on the apartment layout, deciding that the loom had to find a new home away from the living room. So all art in the house now takes place in the second bedroom. I thought that it would be frustratingly full (you can't see in the picture, but the wall I'm standing against has industrial shelves in an L-shape, and then the cat boxes are shoved in the closet behind those, leaving about as much floor space as you can see in the picture) BUT it turns out I thrive in over crowded conditions. My dad always used to call me a nester. If I was working on something, all the tools and materials I needed would be spread evenly over an arms-length radius and then I'd leave it that way till I was done, much to my parents' unhappiness. The jewelry nook in the corner is absolutely perfect for me- everything's in arm's reach. And yes, there IS something new on the loom! Next post!

thanks for reading!

New Favorite Artist

Kim Cridler.

I first saw Kim's work in the catalog for a show I was in last year called Decorative Resurgence. I can't believe I'd never heard of her before that. I need to get my head out of the sand. Anyway, I was browsing the catalog and saw an image and just lost my breath. Her metalwork is so impressive and beautiful. The precision of the lines, the 3 dimensional layering, the inclusion of personal narrative and metaphor-heavy imagery, it all just blows me away- and really, it's all pieces of what I want in my own work. When I first saw it I was actually frustrated that someone had a similar aesthetic and achieved it so much more successfully. Then I realized that these vessels are 5 FEET TALL! ... And she's a professional artist and professor at the University of Wisconsin, Madison. So it's now become adulation. And hey! Good news! This summer I'll be a studio assistant for Amy Tavern at the Penland School of Crafts (Amy is another inspiration of mine) and Kim Cridler will be teaching a class at the same time! Two birds with one studio! SO EXCITED. These pictures were taken from Kim's website.

I am fascinated with both of the above images because of their textile elements. In the top piece, what looks like an oriental rug (or decorative tile?) provides a backdrop for a huge chalice. I am intrigued by the interior space Kim invents for this monumental vessel and the connotations associated with a rich, decorative furnishing such as a woven rug.

The second sculpture contains my very favorite symbolic element in the world. There's something about a single bird that makes me think of playful innocence: just a sparrow flitting around a tree, enjoying the sun, right? Then there's something about congregating birds that speaks of dread: circling vultures, or who can really talk about birds without thinking about the scene with the crows gathering on the playset in that Alfred Hitchcock movie. This piece takes me more to that place. The woven hair helps the creepiness.

Then there's this amazing piece of architecture in Arizona. I love (LOVE, I say, LOVE) Spanish architecture. This bridge has an arch in all the right places... namely, everywhere. It's gentle and pleasing while keeping clean, pragmatic lines. It is a bridge after all.

I totally can't wait to meet this woman.

Sundays are a day for a blog

Latest work:

I have been making just a bit of new jewelry to beef up the portfolio. I'm applying (maybe begging is a more operative term) to a couple of galleries in areas where I think my work might be better accepted, and I needed a few new wearables. I'm struggling to find a balance on the effort to income scale, if that makes any sense. I spend days on pieces like the one above and find myself writing a price tag for it that my non-artist acquaintances choke and gag at. On the other end, I spent a few months in '09 focusing on a production line that I found tedious and unfulfilling, but put a couple bucks in my pocket. I'm not going to lie- I need the money (badly)- but I am wondering if my time spent making dead-end one of a kinds is more valuable than a meager income from a production line. I am wondering if there is a missing link that would make the one of a kind work profitable. I am hoping that it's location. Hence the previous ramblings about networking and advertising- I've been thinking about it a lot and desperately trying to get over myself. The goal is to get work in areas with a customer base educated about the value of craft and accepting of art jewelry. I'm having a rocky start, but at least it is one (cross your fingers, Seattle!) On Wednesday I'm attending a business class at Mountain Bizworks here in Asheville that is all about getting your portfolio together and approaching stores and galleries. I really can't believe I live in a city that hosts affordable business classes aimed towards artist-makers. I can't wait!

Introversion

I suggest everyone I know read this informative article: Caring for your Introvert by Jonathan Rauch at the Atlantic. It outlines "the habits and needs of a little understood group" of which my husband and I (and most of our friends) are a part!

an excerpt:

"What is introversion? In its modern sense, the concept goes back to the 1920s and the psychologist Carl Jung. Today it is a mainstay of personality tests, including the widely used Myers-Briggs Type Indicator. Introverts are not necessarily shy. Shy people are anxious or frightened or self-excoriating in social settings; introverts generally are not. Introverts are also not misanthropic, though some of us do go along with Sartre as far as to say "Hell is other people at breakfast." Rather, introverts are people who find other people tiring.

Extroverts are energized by people, and wilt or fade when alone. They often seem bored by themselves, in both senses of the expression. Leave an extrovert alone for two minutes and he will reach for his cell phone. In contrast, after an hour or two of being socially "on," we introverts need to turn off and recharge. My own formula is roughly two hours alone for every hour of socializing. This isn't antisocial. It isn't a sign of depression. It does not call for medication. For introverts, to be alone with our thoughts is as restorative as sleeping, as nourishing as eating. Our motto: "I'm okay, you're okay—in small doses."

Thanks to Alissa for posting this on the facebook!

Lupercalia

The Lupercalia festival was partly in honor of Lupa, the she-wolf who suckled the infant orphans.

The festival began with the sacrifice by the Luperci (or the flamen dialis) of two male goats and a dog.[7] Next two young patrician Luperci were led to the altar, to be anointed on their foreheads with the sacrificial blood, which was wiped off the bloody knife with wool soaked in milk, after which they were expected to smile and laugh.

The sacrificial feast followed, after which the Luperci cut thongs from the skins of the victims, which were called Februa, dressed themselves in the skins of the sacrificed goats, in imitation of Lupercus, and ran round the walls of the old Palatine city, the line of which was marked with stones, with the thongs in their hands in two bands, striking the people who crowded near. Girls and young women would line up on their route to receive lashes from these whips. This was supposed to ensure fertility, prevent sterility in women and ease the pains of childbirth.

This was Valentine's Day before "Valentine's Day." Enjoy your dumb chocolate hearts and greeting cards. My flower shop is sold out of roses (800+ and only two of us to process them), morale is low, and this florist is exhausted. You can bother me again on Mother's Day, but until then I'll be sleeping off this awful holiday. (and yes I am fully aware that I am biting the hand that feeds me.)

Speaking of Facebook

While I'm on the subject of Social Networking (the overwhelmed artist's favorite marketing tool) I might as well give mine the plug. If the website, the etsy shop, the blog, and my vocal pestering (no link for that one.... yet) was NOT enough, go on over to my Facebook Fan Page. Gather in a community of ME-fans. Post, comment, tweet, txt, and other verbs I don't understand about ME. This is your best opportunity to really connect with other people who share a common goal: my rise to awesomeness. And here I thought it was my premium dancing skills that would rocket me to fame.. little did I know it would be Facebook.

If it's not nauseatingly obvious yet, I have not yet come to terms with the idea of self-promotion. While I realize the usefulness of spreading my name and pictures of my work as far and wide as I can.. it still feels narcissistic. A conversation comes to mind with a woman I used to work with:

Ruby: What's that you're working on, Caitie?

Me: Some postcards to hand out at a show.

Ruby: Why?

Me: Because I need to sell myself.

Ruby: Honey.... Do you know how that sounds?

Needless to say I am a TERRIBLE self promoter! I'm shy and awkward and self-effacing. I make assumptions of disinterest or disapproval. It's ridiculous. It's getting worse, because I'm coming to the point in my career where this is important. I'm not a student anymore, I don't want to live in obscurity and make art that no one sees or appreciates. I want to SELL work- maybe even make a living off of my work! I'm also a no name. Who's going to see it if I don't shove it in their faces?

Just one of the many obstructions to climb over in this whole "real life" thing. Am I too old for all this over-thinking?

Blooming Rose Foundation

Quick shout out to my girl Kat East and her fabulous foundation helping those affected by cystic fibrosis. Become a fan on Facebook if you do the social networking thing- it is an active and supportive community and full of information. If you know any CFers or just want to learn more, check it out!

Things I heart

Beautiful things on Etsy that I covet:

"Linen Thread Necklace" by magdalinen

"Little Gate Hand Embroidered Cushion" by bridgetdavies (dear bridget- care to trade? love, caitie)

"Ethnic Marie Handcrafted Watch" by Revolt70

"Evolution" 4 photos by doubleyouEm

New Direction? Tell me your thoughts!

Ever since I started working on this production line (which is still so tiny) I have wondered about separating it from my art in name. My art is sculptural and uses completely different inspirations and materials from my simple, cutesy production jewelry. Not to mention the whole textiles aspect of my work, which is completely confusing next to it. So.. I am considering giving my production work a name, making it it's own business and entity, and keeping my one-of-a-kind work under my name. I feel that this will resolve the confusing juxtaposition of differing elements in my etsy shop, as well as in my business organization (like I actually have anything organized..)

So- art jewelry, scarves, and sculpture remains "Caitie Sellers Design"

Production sterling silver jewelry becomes "Whatnot and Such Jewelry"

How does it sound?

Shop Update

I will be donating 33% of all online sales to disaster relief in Haiti through the month of January and possibly longer. Donations will be made through Oxfam.org.

Haiti Relief - How to Really Help

In the wake of this heart-breaking tragedy, I urge everyone to consider what resources they might be able to offer towards helping the people affected by the earthquake in Haiti. I have done extensive volunteer work with an organization called the Highland Support Project. Their director, Ben Blevins, wrote this blog entry. Please read it, look at the links, and make a donations to one of these organizations. It is important to know who you are giving money to and in what way those dollars will be used to help this country.

I'm sorry, Blogger does not handle copy & paste well. I went to a lot of trouble to include the necessary links, please mouse over the words to see them.

"We all want to help the people of Haiti as they deal with the horrific consequences of yesterday’s earthquake. While HSP isn’t capable of doing emergency relief work outside of Guatemala, we can recommend good folks who do, that you can donate to. Personally, I’ll be donating through Oxfam to help provide immediate emergency assistance.

HSP’s sister nonprofit in Guatemala, AMA (Asociacion de Mujeres del Altiplano), is also planning to donate funds as an organization. The impoverished Mayan women in AMA’s women’s circles plan to raise $250 for women and families in Haiti by the end of this week. These AMA women and their families live on an average of $300 a year, less than $1 a day, making their donation all the more meaningful.

AMA's intentions remind us of the parable of the Widow’s Gift (Mark 12:41-43), in which a poor widow gives her last two copper coins, and thus the greatest gift of all – all she has. AMA will be making their donation through Rights Action, an organization that supports grassroots humanitarian organizing internationally.

Give Now to these HSP recommended organizations

Oxfam has long experience in Haiti and is rushing in teams from around the region to respond to the situation where our assistance is most needed.

Rights Action funds and works with community development, environmental justice, human rights and disaster relief organizations in Guatemala and Honduras, and also in El Salvador, Haiti, Oaxaca and Chiapas.

Direct Relief has an ongoing "Emergency Pre-Positioning Program" and a program in Haiti that stages essential medical materials on site with key partners for immediate use in emergency situations

Learn More about how to best support emergency relief and long-term aid

This post from the Blood And Milk blog is a good summary of relief vs. aid funding:

“Humanitarian relief programs are focused on rapid start-up, and rapid impact. Implementers of humanitarian programs need to gear up as fast as possible, and start providing necessary assistance as fast as possible. Their primary focus is not building local capacity, sustainability, or monitoring and evaluation. Their primary focus is getting help to people in need. They end when the emergency ends. Relief can come from the outside, and it is a response to some kind of breakdown or disaster....Development programs are focused on achieving long-term change of some kind, with the intent of improving people’s lives and the lives of their descendants. They involve rigorous planning and ongoing operational research. They are rooted in local capacity building, because they are aimed at change which continues after the project ends. Even if it has outside support, development in the end has to come from inside.”

The blog, Good Intentions Are Not Enough has a great post entitled “Choosing organizations to donate to after the Haiti earthquake.”

AidWatch has posted “Haiti Earthquake: Help Navigating Complex Terrain of Disaster Relief.”

Tales from the Hood, written by an experienced aid worker, has a post—“Haiti”—just out providing information for donors as well

Philanthropy Action has also posted “Advice for Donors to Haiti - providing advice based on research from the World Bank and the Fritz Institute”

An article “Haiti's Coming Public Health Challenges”, written byAlanna Shaikh at UN Dispatch.

An article from Michael Maren, the author of The Road to Hell – “From an expert: Haiti Donation Advice”"

Really. These things are so. very. important. Know who's getting your money. Know where it's going. Help the best way possible.

Finished Rings